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Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:51 am (PDT) . Posted by:
rhkramer03
The pictures weren't clear enough to really understand what you repaired,
which prompts the question: do many refrigerators (those more modern than
your 30 (?) year old Amana have similar bars that might need repaired?
I mean, you are planning to sell a repair kit--how big is the market?
I don't think either of my refrigerators have shelves as you've described.
IIUC your description, the freezer section of one of my refrigerators has such
a shelf, and it pretty much stays frozen in place ;-)
Randy Kramer
On Monday, March 28, 2016 08:58:33 PM keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-
repair] wrote:
> The fix that I'm going to describe is for an old Amana refrigerator. This
> particular refrigerator has bars that fit in friction slots on each side
> of the shelf. You insert one end of the bar fully and it allows you to
> insert it to the other side, center it and HOPE that friction holds it in
> place.
which prompts the question: do many refrigerators (those more modern than
your 30 (?) year old Amana have similar bars that might need repaired?
I mean, you are planning to sell a repair kit--how big is the market?
I don't think either of my refrigerators have shelves as you've described.
IIUC your description, the freezer section of one of my refrigerators has such
a shelf, and it pretty much stays frozen in place ;-)
Randy Kramer
On Monday, March 28, 2016 08:58:33 PM keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-
repair] wrote:
> The fix that I'm going to describe is for an old Amana refrigerator. This
> particular refrigerator has bars that fit in friction slots on each side
> of the shelf. You insert one end of the bar fully and it allows you to
> insert it to the other side, center it and HOPE that friction holds it in
> place.
Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:06 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"KeepIt SimpleStupid" KeepItSimpleStupid
Hi Randy:
Maybe the fix was too professional?
Anyway, picture a bookshelf with through slots on the left and the right sides. Pretend a rectangular bar is used to keep stuff from falling. In this case, the bar would be installed by inserting into one side and then inserting into the other and centering.
We just want to keep the bar from sliding from side to side and falling out so I made virtually invisible stops.
Instead it's the shelves on the refigerator/freezer door. The OEM just poked holes in the side and assumed "friction" would prevent the sliding. There is not much material in the plastic (1/16"), so you can't glue it.
Here's https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi23ZaQjObLAhUC1B4KHXTmAVIQtwIITTAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJV5RSxGz5gM&usg=AFQjCNGcRWrLCwaO2Y1fHrZWWc-B7HlYRw&sig2=rBnaDQDpgtL2ABp-YyX4kA a "refrigerator bar", but it's not the type I'm fixing.
The bar I have is just a fancy piece of aluminum that fits in a cut out on each side. There is about 3/4" of insertion depth on both sides.
Since friction doesn't work, the bar can slide from side to side. My intent was to prevent this motion. Thw stops are effectively invisible except for the front facing screw.
The refrigerartor is an Amana TJ18K and you can look here http://www.partselect.com/ModelSections.aspx?ModelID=223015&ModelNum=TJ18K&mfgModelNum=P7791139W&ManufactureID=1&Selected=13354&Position=5&mfg=Maytag&Type=Refrigerator&Mark=5 at the door parts, item #20 It's listed as a "retainer".
Over time, the holes that the bar is inserted in loose their "grip" ad this when getting something from the shelf, you can move the bar 3/4" of an inch and end up with everything from the shelf on the floor.
The same sort of fix, could be gained by cementing a block of something to the Aluminum bar on the backside such that the backside of the bar and the left and right side of the shelf are in contact. It jst would not be removeable.
I have no idea how many refrigerators use this design. With the retainers, it's probably a "better" design.
I have no idea how many refrigerator/freezers used this design. The bar falling out is more of a nusence than anything else.
==
In another freezer, I had to replace an external retaining bar that broke the plastic. That was much more involved. I made the bar from a "Rod" and I fabricated a bracket that was attached with plastic rivets. The rod is secured with shaft colars. Again to prevent side to side motion.
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:51 AM, "rhkramer@gmail.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The pictures weren't clear enough to really understand what you repaired,
which prompts the question: do many refrigerators (those more modern than
your 30 (?) year old Amana have similar bars that might need repaired?
I mean, you are planning to sell a repair kit--how big is the market?
I don't think either of my refrigerators have shelves as you've described.
IIUC your description, the freezer section of one of my refrigerators has such
a shelf, and it pretty much stays frozen in place ;-)
Randy Kramer
On Monday, March 28, 2016 08:58:33 PM keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-
repair] wrote:
> The fix that I'm going to describe is for an old Amana refrigerator. This
> particular refrigerator has bars that fit in friction slots on each side
> of the shelf. You insert one end of the bar fully and it allows you to
> insert it to the other side, center it and HOPE that friction holds it in
> place.
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Maybe the fix was too professional?
Anyway, picture a bookshelf with through slots on the left and the right sides. Pretend a rectangular bar is used to keep stuff from falling. In this case, the bar would be installed by inserting into one side and then inserting into the other and centering.
We just want to keep the bar from sliding from side to side and falling out so I made virtually invisible stops.
Instead it's the shelves on the refigerator/freezer door. The OEM just poked holes in the side and assumed "friction" would prevent the sliding. There is not much material in the plastic (1/16"), so you can't glue it.
Here's https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi23ZaQjObLAhUC1B4KHXTmAVIQtwIITTAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJV5RSxGz5gM&usg=AFQjCNGcRWrLCwaO2Y1fHrZWWc-B7HlYRw&sig2=rBnaDQDpgtL2ABp-YyX4kA a "refrigerator bar", but it's not the type I'm fixing.
The bar I have is just a fancy piece of aluminum that fits in a cut out on each side. There is about 3/4" of insertion depth on both sides.
Since friction doesn't work, the bar can slide from side to side. My intent was to prevent this motion. Thw stops are effectively invisible except for the front facing screw.
The refrigerartor is an Amana TJ18K and you can look here http://www.partselect.com/ModelSections.aspx?ModelID=223015&ModelNum=TJ18K&mfgModelNum=P7791139W&ManufactureID=1&Selected=13354&Position=5&mfg=Maytag&Type=Refrigerator&Mark=5 at the door parts, item #20 It's listed as a "retainer".
Over time, the holes that the bar is inserted in loose their "grip" ad this when getting something from the shelf, you can move the bar 3/4" of an inch and end up with everything from the shelf on the floor.
The same sort of fix, could be gained by cementing a block of something to the Aluminum bar on the backside such that the backside of the bar and the left and right side of the shelf are in contact. It jst would not be removeable.
I have no idea how many refrigerators use this design. With the retainers, it's probably a "better" design.
I have no idea how many refrigerator/freezers used this design. The bar falling out is more of a nusence than anything else.
==
In another freezer, I had to replace an external retaining bar that broke the plastic. That was much more involved. I made the bar from a "Rod" and I fabricated a bracket that was attached with plastic rivets. The rod is secured with shaft colars. Again to prevent side to side motion.
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:51 AM, "rhkramer@gmail.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The pictures weren't clear enough to really understand what you repaired,
which prompts the question: do many refrigerators (those more modern than
your 30 (?) year old Amana have similar bars that might need repaired?
I mean, you are planning to sell a repair kit--how big is the market?
I don't think either of my refrigerators have shelves as you've described.
IIUC your description, the freezer section of one of my refrigerators has such
a shelf, and it pretty much stays frozen in place ;-)
Randy Kramer
On Monday, March 28, 2016 08:58:33 PM keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-
repair] wrote:
> The fix that I'm going to describe is for an old Amana refrigerator. This
> particular refrigerator has bars that fit in friction slots on each side
> of the shelf. You insert one end of the bar fully and it allows you to
> insert it to the other side, center it and HOPE that friction holds it in
> place.
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:08 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Bruce Lund" bruceedwardlund
Randy, if you want a better view (assuming you aren't on a handheld device) you can click on this link and then click on the individual pics and get a pretty clear view.
As for keepitsimple, that is pretty pretty. And I have seen similar bars and it might even fit my current frig which is probably less than 10 years old. (I would have to look.) And would also look to see color - - I am thinking mine is silver. Don't know what a replacement would cost (including whether it would even be available) but I could see a market for something like that ASSUMING you could make it "universal." That would be the tough nut to crack. I would guess that the lengths could vary widely making it difficult to sell a "one size fits all" option. Giving the buyer the ability to cut to length would be useful but would cut down (no pun intended) on your market. And then there is thickness and height. And even matching colors. You probably have no qualms if the bar doesn't match other shelves. But a lot of people would. And how would you get customers. The internet makes things a thousand times easier to get out there but then you are competing with ten thousand people who would like the same business.
I would say you would have a shot of selling some of them if you can figure out how to reach customers. (A little SEO would be in order.) You might even find some appliance repair people who would welcome the option to sell other than an OEM in a pinch. But don't hold your breath. It is all going to be by the seat of your pants. Bruce Lund
From: "rhkramer@gmail.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com>
To: appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [appliance-repair] Refrigerator/Freezer bar fix
The pictures weren't clear enough to really understand what you repaired,
which prompts the question: do many refrigerators (those more modern than
your 30 (?) year old Amana have similar bars that might need repaired?
I mean, you are planning to sell a repair kit--how big is the market?
I don't think either of my refrigerators have shelves as you've described.
IIUC your description, the freezer section of one of my refrigerators has such
a shelf, and it pretty much stays frozen in place ;-)
Randy Kramer
On Monday, March 28, 2016 08:58:33 PM keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-
repair] wrote:
> The fix that I'm going to describe is for an old Amana refrigerator. This
> particular refrigerator has bars that fit in friction slots on each side
> of the shelf. You insert one end of the bar fully and it allows you to
> insert it to the other side, center it and HOPE that friction holds it in
> place.
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As for keepitsimple, that is pretty pretty. And I have seen similar bars and it might even fit my current frig which is probably less than 10 years old. (I would have to look.) And would also look to see color - - I am thinking mine is silver. Don't know what a replacement would cost (including whether it would even be available) but I could see a market for something like that ASSUMING you could make it "universal." That would be the tough nut to crack. I would guess that the lengths could vary widely making it difficult to sell a "one size fits all" option. Giving the buyer the ability to cut to length would be useful but would cut down (no pun intended) on your market. And then there is thickness and height. And even matching colors. You probably have no qualms if the bar doesn't match other shelves. But a lot of people would. And how would you get customers. The internet makes things a thousand times easier to get out there but then you are competing with ten thousand people who would like the same business.
I would say you would have a shot of selling some of them if you can figure out how to reach customers. (A little SEO would be in order.) You might even find some appliance repair people who would welcome the option to sell other than an OEM in a pinch. But don't hold your breath. It is all going to be by the seat of your pants. Bruce Lund
From: "rhkramer@gmail.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com>
To: appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [appliance-repair] Refrigerator/Freezer bar fix
The pictures weren't clear enough to really understand what you repaired,
which prompts the question: do many refrigerators (those more modern than
your 30 (?) year old Amana have similar bars that might need repaired?
I mean, you are planning to sell a repair kit--how big is the market?
I don't think either of my refrigerators have shelves as you've described.
IIUC your description, the freezer section of one of my refrigerators has such
a shelf, and it pretty much stays frozen in place ;-)
Randy Kramer
On Monday, March 28, 2016 08:58:33 PM keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-
repair] wrote:
> The fix that I'm going to describe is for an old Amana refrigerator. This
> particular refrigerator has bars that fit in friction slots on each side
> of the shelf. You insert one end of the bar fully and it allows you to
> insert it to the other side, center it and HOPE that friction holds it in
> place.
#yiv0407558597 #yiv0407558597 -- #yiv0407558597ygrp-
Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:34 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Bruce Lund" bruceedwardlund
As I posted previously, I think that there really is a market for something like this if you can plumb it. But, in the long run, if you have a frig more than 10 years old, it would probably be money in the bank to buy a new one for electrical savings. Where I live, the electric company will even pay you $25 or $50 to retire it. Just sayin' . . . Bruce Lund
From: "KeepIt SimpleStupid keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com>
To: "appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [appliance-repair] Refrigerator/Freezer bar fix
Hi Randy:
Maybe the fix was too professional?
Anyway, picture a bookshelf with through slots on the left and the right sides. Pretend a rectangular bar is used to keep stuff from falling. In this case, the bar would be installed by inserting into one side and then inserting into the other and centering.
We just want to keep the bar from sliding from side to side and falling out so I made virtually invisible stops.
Instead it's the shelves on the refigerator/freezer door. The OEM just poked holes in the side and assumed "friction" would prevent the sliding. There is not much material in the plastic (1/16"), so you can't glue it.
Here's https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi23ZaQjObLAhUC1B4KHXTmAVIQtwIITTAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJV5RSxGz5gM&usg=AFQjCNGcRWrLCwaO2Y1fHrZWWc-B7HlYRw&sig2=rBnaDQDpgtL2ABp-YyX4kA a "refrigerator bar", but it's not the type I'm fixing.
The bar I have is just a fancy piece of aluminum that fits in a cut out on each side. There is about 3/4" of insertion depth on both sides.
Since friction doesn't work, the bar can slide from side to side. My intent was to prevent this motion. Thw stops are effectively invisible except for the front facing screw.
The refrigerartor is an Amana TJ18K and you can look here http://www.partselect.com/ModelSections.aspx?ModelID=223015&ModelNum=TJ18K&mfgModelNum=P7791139W&ManufactureID=1&Selected=13354&Position=5&mfg=Maytag&Type=Refrigerator&Mark=5 at the door parts, item #20 It's listed as a "retainer".
Over time, the holes that the bar is inserted in loose their "grip" ad this when getting something from the shelf, you can move the bar 3/4" of an inch and end up with everything from the shelf on the floor.
The same sort of fix, could be gained by cementing a block of something to the Aluminum bar on the backside such that the backside of the bar and the left and right side of the shelf are in contact. It jst would not be removeable.
I have no idea how many refrigerators use this design. With the retainers, it's probably a "better" design.
I have no idea how many refrigerator/freezers used this design. The bar falling out is more of a nusence than anything else.
==
In another freezer, I had to replace an external retaining bar that broke the plastic. That was much more involved. I made the bar from a "Rod" and I fabricated a bracket that was attached with plastic rivets. The rod is secured with shaft colars. Again to prevent side to side motion.
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:51 AM, "rhkramer@gmail.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The pictures weren't clear enough to really understand what you repaired,
which prompts the question: do many refrigerators (those more modern than
your 30 (?) year old Amana have similar bars that might need repaired?
I mean, you are planning to sell a repair kit--how big is the market?
I don't think either of my refrigerators have shelves as you've described.
IIUC your description, the freezer section of one of my refrigerators has such
a shelf, and it pretty much stays frozen in place ;-)
Randy Kramer
On Monday, March 28, 2016 08:58:33 PM keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-
repair] wrote:
> The fix that I'm going to describe is for an old Amana refrigerator. This
> particular refrigerator has bars that fit in friction slots on each side
> of the shelf. You insert one end of the bar fully and it allows you to
> insert it to the other side, center it and HOPE that friction holds it in
> place.
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From: "KeepIt SimpleStupid keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com>
To: "appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [appliance-repair] Refrigerator/Freezer bar fix
Hi Randy:
Maybe the fix was too professional?
Anyway, picture a bookshelf with through slots on the left and the right sides. Pretend a rectangular bar is used to keep stuff from falling. In this case, the bar would be installed by inserting into one side and then inserting into the other and centering.
We just want to keep the bar from sliding from side to side and falling out so I made virtually invisible stops.
Instead it's the shelves on the refigerator/freezer door. The OEM just poked holes in the side and assumed "friction" would prevent the sliding. There is not much material in the plastic (1/16"), so you can't glue it.
Here's https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi23ZaQjObLAhUC1B4KHXTmAVIQtwIITTAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJV5RSxGz5gM&usg=AFQjCNGcRWrLCwaO2Y1fHrZWWc-B7HlYRw&sig2=rBnaDQDpgtL2ABp-YyX4kA a "refrigerator bar", but it's not the type I'm fixing.
The bar I have is just a fancy piece of aluminum that fits in a cut out on each side. There is about 3/4" of insertion depth on both sides.
Since friction doesn't work, the bar can slide from side to side. My intent was to prevent this motion. Thw stops are effectively invisible except for the front facing screw.
The refrigerartor is an Amana TJ18K and you can look here http://www.partselect.com/ModelSections.aspx?ModelID=223015&ModelNum=TJ18K&mfgModelNum=P7791139W&ManufactureID=1&Selected=13354&Position=5&mfg=Maytag&Type=Refrigerator&Mark=5 at the door parts, item #20 It's listed as a "retainer".
Over time, the holes that the bar is inserted in loose their "grip" ad this when getting something from the shelf, you can move the bar 3/4" of an inch and end up with everything from the shelf on the floor.
The same sort of fix, could be gained by cementing a block of something to the Aluminum bar on the backside such that the backside of the bar and the left and right side of the shelf are in contact. It jst would not be removeable.
I have no idea how many refrigerators use this design. With the retainers, it's probably a "better" design.
I have no idea how many refrigerator/freezers used this design. The bar falling out is more of a nusence than anything else.
==
In another freezer, I had to replace an external retaining bar that broke the plastic. That was much more involved. I made the bar from a "Rod" and I fabricated a bracket that was attached with plastic rivets. The rod is secured with shaft colars. Again to prevent side to side motion.
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:51 AM, "rhkramer@gmail.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The pictures weren't clear enough to really understand what you repaired,
which prompts the question: do many refrigerators (those more modern than
your 30 (?) year old Amana have similar bars that might need repaired?
I mean, you are planning to sell a repair kit--how big is the market?
I don't think either of my refrigerators have shelves as you've described.
IIUC your description, the freezer section of one of my refrigerators has such
a shelf, and it pretty much stays frozen in place ;-)
Randy Kramer
On Monday, March 28, 2016 08:58:33 PM keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-
repair] wrote:
> The fix that I'm going to describe is for an old Amana refrigerator. This
> particular refrigerator has bars that fit in friction slots on each side
> of the shelf. You insert one end of the bar fully and it allows you to
> insert it to the other side, center it and HOPE that friction holds it in
> place.
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:
rhkramer03
Thanks to Bruce and "keepitsimplestupid" for their replies.
I understand what you fixed. As a point of data, neither my ~35 year old
J.C.Penney nor my ~12 year old Electrolux refrigerator have bars in the doors
supported in that manner.
But, if you think it will bring you a return, as a friend of mine (and
probably many others) used to say, "storm forward"! (And best wishes for
success.)
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:31:30 AM Bruce Lund bruceedwardlund@yahoo.com
[appliance-repair] wrote:
> As I posted previously, I think that there really is a market for something
> like this if you can plumb it. But, in the long run, if you have a frig
> more than 10 years old, it would probably be money in the bank to buy a
> new one for electrical savings. Where I live, the electric company will
> even pay you $25 or $50 to retire it. Just sayin' . . . Bruce Lund
I understand what you fixed. As a point of data, neither my ~35 year old
J.C.Penney nor my ~12 year old Electrolux refrigerator have bars in the doors
supported in that manner.
But, if you think it will bring you a return, as a friend of mine (and
probably many others) used to say, "storm forward"! (And best wishes for
success.)
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:31:30 AM Bruce Lund bruceedwardlund@yahoo.com
[appliance-repair] wrote:
> As I posted previously, I think that there really is a market for something
> like this if you can plumb it. But, in the long run, if you have a frig
> more than 10 years old, it would probably be money in the bank to buy a
> new one for electrical savings. Where I live, the electric company will
> even pay you $25 or $50 to retire it. Just sayin' . . . Bruce Lund
Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"KeepIt SimpleStupid" KeepItSimpleStupid
Bruce:
I did not make the bar. I just drilled two holes in each of them. 3 bars * 2 holes each = 6 holes. Like they say: Measure twice, cut once.
The idea once again is to "center the bar" prior to marking so that the same amount of material is marked on each side.
Then hold the bracket without the screw so that the rubber "almost contacts" the inside of the shelf. Mark what would be the parallel edge of where the screw would be inserted.
Then do what you have to do to align the marks vertically; center-punch; drill and debur.
Typically, there might be 2 to 3 shelves on the door and one or two in the freezer side. I just happened to have two on the refrigerator and one on the freezer door.
I have parts to "make" (install the bumpers and package) to make 4 brackets or enough for 2 shelves. I'd be happy to mail them to you (Bruce) free of charge if you would like?
No drill bit or screwdriver. If you can't find a T8 (Torx 8) driver, you can substitute a Phillips screw.
I struggled the first time installing the bumpers.
Everything would be just packaging except the bumper install and that would be done by me. So, it is universal. There may be applications where the length of the screw needs to be changed.
Being a machinist (not formally trained, but I DID have 24/7/365 machine shop access where I used to work drilling sheet metal can be tricky. That's the reason I would include a 1/8" split or pilot point bit.
I'd use basically the same reason for including the T8 bit. It looks nice and it's not common. Those tools would be worth about $10.00 USD without postage thrown in.
For giggles, I think I can include some 4-40 Nylon screws as well that you can cut to length. I would not use them for the final assembly. I would not want to rivet the brackets either. I had to buy 100 screws which I purchased for another project, so I have plenty of these available.
It's definately not a "get rich quick" kind of plan, but rather a "help others" while making a small profit, hopefully.
==
While we are on this repair topic, I'll take or at least try to, re-size and post my fix for a totally broken bracket on a freezer shelf.
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:06 AM, "KeepIt SimpleStupid keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Randy:
Maybe the fix was too professional?
Anyway, picture a bookshelf with through slots on the left and the right sides. Pretend a rectangular bar is used to keep stuff from falling. In this case, the bar would be installed by inserting into one side and then inserting into the other and centering.
We just want to keep the bar from sliding from side to side and falling out so I made virtually invisible stops.
Instead it's the shelves on the refigerator/freezer door. The OEM just poked holes in the side and assumed "friction" would prevent the sliding. There is not much material in the plastic (1/16"), so you can't glue it.
Here's https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi23ZaQjObLAhUC1B4KHXTmAVIQtwIITTAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJV5RSxGz5gM&usg=AFQjCNGcRWrLCwaO2Y1fHrZWWc-B7HlYRw&sig2=rBnaDQDpgtL2ABp-YyX4kA a "refrigerator bar", but it's not the type I'm fixing.
The bar I have is just a fancy piece of aluminum that fits in a cut out on each side. There is about 3/4" of insertion depth on both sides.
Since friction doesn't work, the bar can slide from side to side. My intent was to prevent this motion. Thw stops are effectively invisible except for the front facing screw.
The refrigerartor is an Amana TJ18K and you can look here http://www.partselect.com/ModelSections.aspx?ModelID=223015&ModelNum=TJ18K&mfgModelNum=P7791139W&ManufactureID=1&Selected=13354&Position=5&mfg=Maytag&Type=Refrigerator&Mark=5 at the door parts, item #20 It's listed as a "retainer".
Over time, the holes that the bar is inserted in loose their "grip" ad this when getting something from the shelf, you can move the bar 3/4" of an inch and end up with everything from the shelf on the floor.
The same sort of fix, could be gained by cementing a block of something to the Aluminum bar on the backside such that the backside of the bar and the left and right side of the shelf are in contact. It jst would not be removeable.
I have no idea how many refrigerators use this design. With the retainers, it's probably a "better" design.
I have no idea how many refrigerator/freezers used this design. The bar falling out is more of a nusence than anything else.
==
In another freezer, I had to replace an external retaining bar that broke the plastic. That was much more involved. I made the bar from a "Rod" and I fabricated a bracket that was attached with plastic rivets. The rod is secured with shaft colars. Again to prevent side to side motion.
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:51 AM, "rhkramer@gmail.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The pictures weren't clear enough to really understand what you repaired,
which prompts the question: do many refrigerators (those more modern than
your 30 (?) year old Amana have similar bars that might need repaired?
I mean, you are planning to sell a repair kit--how big is the market?
I don't think either of my refrigerators have shelves as you've described.
IIUC your description, the freezer section of one of my refrigerators has such
a shelf, and it pretty much stays frozen in place ;-)
Randy Kramer
On Monday, March 28, 2016 08:58:33 PM keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-
repair] wrote:
> The fix that I'm going to describe is for an old Amana refrigerator. This
> particular refrigerator has bars that fit in friction slots on each side
> of the shelf. You insert one end of the bar fully and it allows you to
> insert it to the other side, center it and HOPE that friction holds it in
> place.
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I did not make the bar. I just drilled two holes in each of them. 3 bars * 2 holes each = 6 holes. Like they say: Measure twice, cut once.
The idea once again is to "center the bar" prior to marking so that the same amount of material is marked on each side.
Then hold the bracket without the screw so that the rubber "almost contacts" the inside of the shelf. Mark what would be the parallel edge of where the screw would be inserted.
Then do what you have to do to align the marks vertically; center-punch; drill and debur.
Typically, there might be 2 to 3 shelves on the door and one or two in the freezer side. I just happened to have two on the refrigerator and one on the freezer door.
I have parts to "make" (install the bumpers and package) to make 4 brackets or enough for 2 shelves. I'd be happy to mail them to you (Bruce) free of charge if you would like?
No drill bit or screwdriver. If you can't find a T8 (Torx 8) driver, you can substitute a Phillips screw.
I struggled the first time installing the bumpers.
Everything would be just packaging except the bumper install and that would be done by me. So, it is universal. There may be applications where the length of the screw needs to be changed.
Being a machinist (not formally trained, but I DID have 24/7/365 machine shop access where I used to work drilling sheet metal can be tricky. That's the reason I would include a 1/8" split or pilot point bit.
I'd use basically the same reason for including the T8 bit. It looks nice and it's not common. Those tools would be worth about $10.00 USD without postage thrown in.
For giggles, I think I can include some 4-40 Nylon screws as well that you can cut to length. I would not use them for the final assembly. I would not want to rivet the brackets either. I had to buy 100 screws which I purchased for another project, so I have plenty of these available.
It's definately not a "get rich quick" kind of plan, but rather a "help others" while making a small profit, hopefully.
==
While we are on this repair topic, I'll take or at least try to, re-size and post my fix for a totally broken bracket on a freezer shelf.
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:06 AM, "KeepIt SimpleStupid keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Randy:
Maybe the fix was too professional?
Anyway, picture a bookshelf with through slots on the left and the right sides. Pretend a rectangular bar is used to keep stuff from falling. In this case, the bar would be installed by inserting into one side and then inserting into the other and centering.
We just want to keep the bar from sliding from side to side and falling out so I made virtually invisible stops.
Instead it's the shelves on the refigerator/freezer door. The OEM just poked holes in the side and assumed "friction" would prevent the sliding. There is not much material in the plastic (1/16"), so you can't glue it.
Here's https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi23ZaQjObLAhUC1B4KHXTmAVIQtwIITTAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJV5RSxGz5gM&usg=AFQjCNGcRWrLCwaO2Y1fHrZWWc-B7HlYRw&sig2=rBnaDQDpgtL2ABp-YyX4kA a "refrigerator bar", but it's not the type I'm fixing.
The bar I have is just a fancy piece of aluminum that fits in a cut out on each side. There is about 3/4" of insertion depth on both sides.
Since friction doesn't work, the bar can slide from side to side. My intent was to prevent this motion. Thw stops are effectively invisible except for the front facing screw.
The refrigerartor is an Amana TJ18K and you can look here http://www.partselect.com/ModelSections.aspx?ModelID=223015&ModelNum=TJ18K&mfgModelNum=P7791139W&ManufactureID=1&Selected=13354&Position=5&mfg=Maytag&Type=Refrigerator&Mark=5 at the door parts, item #20 It's listed as a "retainer".
Over time, the holes that the bar is inserted in loose their "grip" ad this when getting something from the shelf, you can move the bar 3/4" of an inch and end up with everything from the shelf on the floor.
The same sort of fix, could be gained by cementing a block of something to the Aluminum bar on the backside such that the backside of the bar and the left and right side of the shelf are in contact. It jst would not be removeable.
I have no idea how many refrigerators use this design. With the retainers, it's probably a "better" design.
I have no idea how many refrigerator/freezers used this design. The bar falling out is more of a nusence than anything else.
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In another freezer, I had to replace an external retaining bar that broke the plastic. That was much more involved. I made the bar from a "Rod" and I fabricated a bracket that was attached with plastic rivets. The rod is secured with shaft colars. Again to prevent side to side motion.
On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:51 AM, "rhkramer@gmail.com [appliance-repair]" <appliance-repair@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The pictures weren't clear enough to really understand what you repaired,
which prompts the question: do many refrigerators (those more modern than
your 30 (?) year old Amana have similar bars that might need repaired?
I mean, you are planning to sell a repair kit--how big is the market?
I don't think either of my refrigerators have shelves as you've described.
IIUC your description, the freezer section of one of my refrigerators has such
a shelf, and it pretty much stays frozen in place ;-)
Randy Kramer
On Monday, March 28, 2016 08:58:33 PM keepitsimplestupid@yahoo.com [appliance-
repair] wrote:
> The fix that I'm going to describe is for an old Amana refrigerator. This
> particular refrigerator has bars that fit in friction slots on each side
> of the shelf. You insert one end of the bar fully and it allows you to
> insert it to the other side, center it and HOPE that friction holds it in
> place.
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:14 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
KeepItSimpleStupid
As promised, I created an album here:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/appliance-repair/photos/albums/1357726938 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/appliance-repair/photos/albums/1357726938
that shows a fabricated new shelf bracket for a freezer. This particular freezer uses rods
to hold the items on the shelves in place. This particular shelf gets a lot of use and flexing because it's the shelf that bread gets stored on.
The bracket was fabricated using Fiberglass angle using a jig saw, drill, Dremel tool, and probably a file and a sander.
The rod uses the existing closed bracket on one side and an open one on the new side with the rod secured with a step colar.
Wear a respirator when sanding fiberglass.
KISS
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/appliance-repair/photos/albums/1357726938 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/appliance-repair/photos/albums/1357726938
that shows a fabricated new shelf bracket for a freezer. This particular freezer uses rods
to hold the items on the shelves in place. This particular shelf gets a lot of use and flexing because it's the shelf that bread gets stored on.
The bracket was fabricated using Fiberglass angle using a jig saw, drill, Dremel tool, and probably a file and a sander.
The rod uses the existing closed bracket on one side and an open one on the new side with the rod secured with a step colar.
Wear a respirator when sanding fiberglass.
KISS
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